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		<title>By: Miguel A. ArÃ©valo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel A. ArÃ©valo</dc:creator>
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		<description>First of all, sorry for this out of topic comment.

Hi, as I see that you are redesigning some pieces of the interface I will copy you here some thoughts I sent to the Gossip people as most of my jabber friends still find it difficult to user a tipical Jabber client and maybe you can find them useful:

== My views on Groupchats and Chatrooms

I will try to summary my thoughts on a limited set of points:

-Groupchats (private and for personal transient use) should be completely
different from Chatrooms (public and stable).

# GROUPCHATS:

- Always started by one of these:
       Â· Selecting a number of roster items and &quot;Create groupchat&quot;
       Â· Right clicking on a roster group and &quot;Create groupchat&quot;
       Â· Double clicking on an invitation to join a group chat

- I think that in groupchats no basic user should see ever the service
browser, chatroom JabberID or anything like that.

- If the user is creating a groupchat Gossip/PSI should try to find a
&quot;Private chat&quot; service on his own server a create a room with a random
name and invite the users to it.

- If no service is found (or detected) it should default to a well-known
big and stable server (and, even better, having the default or list of
defaults as a config option).

- There should also have the option to create a room the traditional way
(not so important) and showing the current GroupChat JabberID in case it
is needed (very important for compatibility).

# CHATROOMS:

- A simple starting window, with the rooms already opened on the
(detected) public chat service on the user&#039;s server.

- Also useful a combo-box with some well-known server hosting public
chatrooms (jabber.org, amessage.info, ietf.xmpp.org, etc.).

- Also a button &quot;Advanced...&quot; for the Jabber Browser but if I can modify
the default chat servers with a config option it would maybe not be needed.

- (This is a personal idea in order to migrate people from IRC into
Jabber Chats) There should be the possibility to add a ChatRoom to the
roster and when the user is online start automatically his chats
session, waiting for him to join. But if someone send him a personal
message or his name is written in the chat then raise it as if it was an
incoming message.

Regards and sorry for the copy-pasting.

Miguel A. ArÃ©valo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, sorry for this out of topic comment.</p>
<p>Hi, as I see that you are redesigning some pieces of the interface I will copy you here some thoughts I sent to the Gossip people as most of my jabber friends still find it difficult to user a tipical Jabber client and maybe you can find them useful:</p>
<p>== My views on Groupchats and Chatrooms</p>
<p>I will try to summary my thoughts on a limited set of points:</p>
<p>-Groupchats (private and for personal transient use) should be completely<br />
different from Chatrooms (public and stable).</p>
<p># GROUPCHATS:</p>
<p>- Always started by one of these:<br />
       Â· Selecting a number of roster items and &#8220;Create groupchat&#8221;<br />
       Â· Right clicking on a roster group and &#8220;Create groupchat&#8221;<br />
       Â· Double clicking on an invitation to join a group chat</p>
<p>- I think that in groupchats no basic user should see ever the service<br />
browser, chatroom JabberID or anything like that.</p>
<p>- If the user is creating a groupchat Gossip/PSI should try to find a<br />
&#8220;Private chat&#8221; service on his own server a create a room with a random<br />
name and invite the users to it.</p>
<p>- If no service is found (or detected) it should default to a well-known<br />
big and stable server (and, even better, having the default or list of<br />
defaults as a config option).</p>
<p>- There should also have the option to create a room the traditional way<br />
(not so important) and showing the current GroupChat JabberID in case it<br />
is needed (very important for compatibility).</p>
<p># CHATROOMS:</p>
<p>- A simple starting window, with the rooms already opened on the<br />
(detected) public chat service on the user&#8217;s server.</p>
<p>- Also useful a combo-box with some well-known server hosting public<br />
chatrooms (jabber.org, amessage.info, ietf.xmpp.org, etc.).</p>
<p>- Also a button &#8220;Advanced&#8230;&#8221; for the Jabber Browser but if I can modify<br />
the default chat servers with a config option it would maybe not be needed.</p>
<p>- (This is a personal idea in order to migrate people from IRC into<br />
Jabber Chats) There should be the possibility to add a ChatRoom to the<br />
roster and when the user is online start automatically his chats<br />
session, waiting for him to join. But if someone send him a personal<br />
message or his name is written in the chat then raise it as if it was an<br />
incoming message.</p>
<p>Regards and sorry for the copy-pasting.</p>
<p>Miguel A. ArÃ©valo</p>
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